Bishop Allen Interview with Justin Rice.

[John Flounlacker] What kind of music influenced you when you were younger?
{JR} – When I was a kid and I was in high school at some point I discovered Hardcore. I think the first record that I listened to and was something that I felt that I identified with a lot was a Fugazi record. Which then made me listen to Minor Threat and all the early Dischord bands and when I was in high school I was definitely into punk rock and into Hardcore and throughout college too. I mean even now those are a lot of the records that I like to play to sort of broaden my taste but that…it was more…it wasn’t only the music; which I really did respond to at that time a lot, but it was also the idea that you could make your own music and put out your own records and that was pretty inspiring.
[JF] What role did music play in your life? I mean you kinda got into it a little bit right there. But, you were born where?
{JR} I was born in Dallas, TX.
[Chris Brown] Oh, yes.
{JR} Is that where you’re from?
[CB] I’m from Shreveport.
{JR} Alright.
[CB] But I have family there.
[JF] I was only wondering because we’re from Lancaster, PA which is about an hour away and there was a huge Hardcore scene there.
{JR} Yeah, I mean the kinda stuff that I ended up really liking was more of the 70′s punk bands like The Clash, The Talking Heads…
[Adam Cottman] Hell yeah!
{JR} …and then like more obscure bands from that era like the Dills, the Dickies.
[AC] Hell yeah…

{JR} That is the stuff that I still really like a lot but back than it was like pre-internet so it was a lot harder to find music that wasn’t… wasn’t really fed to you, it wasn’t commercial. So I used to read MRR and various ‘zines a lot but it really wasn’t until I got to college that I felt like I actually started to play music and be around a lot of people that liked music. It was hard for me to find it in Dallas at that time. I think it was there, I just didn’t know where. I mean maybe a little bit, I went to some shows.
[JF] Well College is where you kinda start growing up and out.
{JR} Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[CB] Ironically, Dallas is now where we go to if we want to see good shows.
{JR} Well Dallas is kinda good, I mean Dallas is great…it was different then. I mean this was in the 90′s and it was just like, I found shows there and I did have friends who were into music and stuff but it was definitely not until college that I started getting into making music, making records and going to shows.
[JF] The role that music played to you growing up – Do feel that you’re doing the same thing in your own music, like trying to reach people? Are you having that kind of attitude going into it?
{JR} I think that the approach I have now to the music is very similar to what I had then which is that I identify pretty strongly with music. I like being around it. And I feel like we’re still really close to the music that we make, to all the decisions. We don’t put out our own music anymore but we did until pretty recently. Even now we have a pretty big role in the actual means of production and all that stuff. I still feel that it’s pretty much the same and that we try to have a personal relationship with people who like our music and try to keep it on a pretty low key level. You know it’s a way of communication, a way to congregate and a way to spend time around people. When I was in high school it was a lot about identifying and self identification, like ‘I go to punk rock shows, I’m a punk rock kid’. Now it’s less about that and more about.. I don’t know…I like the music.
[JF] You say that you use music to define, like punk rock kids are into punk rock music. How would you define yourself what with terms being thrown around today like ‘hipster’, ‘emo’ and all those different weird terms? Could you put yourself into a category or a genre?
{JR} You know I just think about it less. Part of it’s living in Brooklyn and part of it’s being older. I mean I don’t know I guess the kinda music that we make is indie rock or indie pop or something like that. I mean now I just think less about it of how to identify myself or whom to identify myself with. At this point it’s just become a compulsion of writing songs, playing music. That’s what I do everyday because I feel like I have to.
[JF] So you don’t limit yourself creatively? I know people who’ll say ‘I’m in a punk rock band, I can’t use certain instruments because that stops me from sounding punk rock’. Do you sit down and try and write in a certain genre or style?
{JR} A lot of it is what we feel and a lot of it is discovery…and curiosity that drives us to write a kind of song. Sometimes there’s a lyrical idea or a rhythmic idea or an instrument that’s interesting to learn how to play and by starting with something that we want to kind of think through that’s how we end up writing our songs. It’s almost like kind of doing a crossword puzzle or something where there’s some set of problems that you’re interested in solving and you sit down and do it and the process of thinking through those problems is a song.
[JF] So do you consider yourself a musician, an artist, a writer? Which would you say is your main area of focus?
{JR} Well I write the lyrics so I guess if I had to choose I’d consider myself a writer because most of the people I play music with are much better at music. The kind of writing that I found that I like to do is song writing because I just like the way that the structure of a song contains and limits your thoughts. I like the length of songs and the arc of songs so while I’m a writer I think I’m more of a song writer.
[JF] Have you thought about ever writing short stories? I mean Nick Cave has written a book, even The Decemberists are quoted as being a really heavy lyrical band. I’ve always really liked your lyrics, I’ve always thought they really helped paint a pretty clear picture since they are very visual. Would you consider doing a book?
{JR} Yeah, absolutely. I mean I kinda write all the time here and there but I haven’t ever really finished anything that’s worthy of actually reading or trying to get out into the world but yes I think at some point I’m gonna write something.

[JF] I know your old roommate Andrew…
{JR} Andrew Bujalski.
[JF] Yeah, whom you’ve done some films with. Have you ever thought about getting into film writing or doing things like that? In those films you can almost see aspects of your music and personality and it’s very similar to your stage persona and it almost seems like you’re playing yourself. Have you ever thought about writing specifically for yourself to be used in film?
{JR} Well I’ve worked on a lot of films as far a both acting and behind the scenes as well as making some shorts…
[JF] Ahh, yes the Bob Dylan film.
{JR} Yeah, so I definitely work on films a lot. There’s a film that’s actually coming out soon called Alexander the Last which is gonna be available on iN-DEMAND starting March 14th and it’s also premiering at SXSW and getting both a theatrical release and iN-DEMAND release at the same time. For that movie it was somewhat improvised but basically there was a lot of character… like a lot of it was me trying to figure out what he would say and then saying it. So the answer is yes. I have thought about that kind of thing and have even done a little of it although in a more non-traditional kind of way. I’ve never sat down and written any kind of script but I have worked with people on scripts.
[JF] How has it been working on film? Do you enjoy that? Do you view it as yet another creative outlet or more as a favor to friends? Seeing as how you sort of got involved in film through a friend.
{JR} I really like working on projects with friends. It’s not like it’s because it’s a favor but because I actually really enjoy it and get a lot out of it. It’s like with the band we’ll work on songs for a specific amount of time and then we’ll have some time off and then we’ll tour for a specific period of time and then we’ll have time off. We kind of break the year up into these chunks where we’re working on the band and when we’re not. In those off times I really like to work on other projects because it keeps me from being bored.
(LAUGHTER)
{JR}..and also it’s great to see how other people think and to get involved in working relationships with other people. It all sort of helps you to get better at…everything.
[CB] As a film major. I actually have a question about with the drawing on of technology especially with the “mumble-core”
(LAUGHTER)
{JR}..mumble-core… I can live with it.
[CB] Yeah I know right? I definitely think there should be name change with that. Anyways, I actually pose this question because he actually came to my class to speak about ‘Funny Ha Ha’
{JR} Who, Andrew?
[CB] Yeah, and you said that Alexander the Last is being released simultaneously at home and in theaters and it’s kind of like Soderberg [in reference to Che] in that regard. Do you feel like in 10 years that theaters will be gone and that movies will be a more democratic art form like everything else is becoming?
{JR} I don’t know. It’s interesting because right now movie studios are doing really well with theatrical releases. Blockbuster movies are doing better than ever. At the same time I think that higher budget indie movies are becoming harder and harder to make and distribute. So while the blockbuster movies are getting more expensive by spending more on marketing and on these really gigantic productions like there’s more and more happening at a micro budget level so that there’s this big disparity but on that level it is becoming more democratic. It’s becoming much easier for anyone to make a movie. Hopefully as everyone starts to figure out things-new ways to distribute movies, it will become more democratic on that level and you know, ultimately both worlds will exist. And on a hollywood level it’ll be more inaccessible and on a micro budget level it’ll be more democratic.
[JF] Along the same lines being a musician these days is far easier in regards to making music and being able to record and release CD’s. Do you find it easier or harder because of this to make yourself heard as a musician and reach the fans?
{JR} It’s easier. I think there’s a lot of chatter out there because there are a lot of bands and a lot of noise to compete with but it’s not really a competition. In truth I think that there’s more and more bands that do pretty well and that it really only starts to affect things at the top unlike with movies. It’s much harder to sell 14 million records but it’s much easier to sell 14,000. So there’s going to be a lot more bands that are going to be able to exist and survive being a band with all of their energy because now it’s possible to reach out without all these giant marketing and distribution mechanisms. I mean for us we couldn’t exist without the internet.
[JF] You said until just recently you were releasing your records yourself. Was that hard? At your current level were you doing well for yourself?
{JR} Well when you release everything yourself there are advantages and disadvantages. There are a lot of logistics to deal with. I mean I spent a lot of the time at the post office.
(LAUGHTER)
[JF] I know. I remember buying all 12 of your EP’s and getting a lovely little hand written note with it and thought that it was really awesome.
{JR} Exactly. That’s the kind of thing that releasing our music allowed us to do the way we wanted to do it. When we wanted to put out an EP every month nobody said ‘no’ you know? We could just try some crazy hair brained scheme and it was really fun. That was the moment where we started to find a way to be able to support ourselves doing it. I mean we live pretty meager existences.
[JF] Well do you guys have to work jobs on the side at all?
{JR} No we’re all full time musicians.
[JF] Well it’s great to see bands being able to do that because it’s one of those things that when you see a band doing a great concept like that you’re thinking ‘I really hope these guys are surviving because it’d be horrible if they’re not because they seem like great people’
{JR} That’s the thing, I think that if you’re diligent and you work hard you can find a way to get your music out there. There’s definitely a way to get your music out and if you persist there more people will hear about you.
[JF] You guys were just featured in Nick and Nora’s Infinite Playlist. Do you think that exposure has helped you in any way? I mean I guess it probably hasn’t hurt you.
{JR} Yeah it’s helped us for sure. I mean I can’t quantify it, I wouldn’t know exactly how.

[JF] Does it bother you though that sometimes people refer to you as ‘that band from Nick & Norah’? Unfortunately that’s how you were tagged for tonight’s show.. I know as a person who has been a fan for years it kind of bothered me.
{JR} I guess I haven’t really noticed it that much.
[JF] It’s not selling out it’s buying in, right?
(LAUGHTER)
{JR} Well I mean I gotta say too that the biggest reason why we did Nick & Nora’s was…
[JF] It was a great movie
{JR} Yeah. I liked the movie and the director came up to us after a show that he had seen. He was like ‘I really want you guys to be in this movie, my name is Peter Sollett.’ and I was like ‘Woah, you’re the guy who directed Raising Victor Vargas of course we’ll be in your movie’.
[JF] You guys are pretty well known. At least that’s what my perception of you is. Did Peter know of you before the show, was he aware of how well known you are?
{JR} Yeah he had been to a few shows. I think he just wanted a band that fit his idea of what this night in New York would be like. I mean I don’t know exactly what went through his head. I think he liked the kind of energy that we have and that it was right for this movie and we got along with him very well. I feel at that point it’s when it starts to make sense. When you’re working with people that you like, when you’re doing things that you like of course you do it. To get back to the original question I guess I never really thought about what it would mean it was just a great chance to work with someone that I enjoyed.
[JF] Did you find that experience to be different from working on the other films you’ve been apart of? Better or worse?
{JR} I don’t know. It was definitely different. I don’t like theatrical experiences that much. The difference is that when you’re shooting a run and gun movie with no crew it feels very personal and there’s not a separation of jobs and you feel very involved in every aspect of it much like music. When we were shooting Nick & Nora there was a crew of like 60 people and like 80 extras and it’s a much more stratified world. It’s OK and I like it. It’s interesting but I definitely like kind of knowing everybody better because it feels more fun.
[JF] Did you get to speak to any of the actors?
{JR} Yeah sure. We hung out with them. They were all real nice. We played Tiger Woods Golf.
(LAUGHTER)
[JF] Speaking of video games, you guys I believe are on a baseball game’s soundtrack.
{JR} Yeah, MLB 2007.
(LAUGHTER)
[JF] You seeing some sweet royalties from that or is it more just exposure?
{JR} Well I wouldn’t say ‘sweet royalties’ but they did pay us. That was actually a while ago so it was and is always nice for someone to pay you and I’ve never even played that game.
(LAUGHTER)
Congratulations to Justin Rice and his fianceé.